Re: Grafcet and other improvement

[Lars Clausen <lrclause cs uiuc edu>]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Alexis MARTINI wrote:
> Luc Pionchon wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:03:14 +0100 (BST)
>>Alan Horkan <horkana@maths.tcd.ie> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Alexis MARTINI wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:50:47 +0200
>>>>From: Alexis MARTINI <alexis.martini@wanadoo.fr>
>>>>Reply-To: dia-list@gnome.org
>>>>To: dia-list@gnome.org
>>>>Subject: Grafcet and other improvement
>>>>
>>>>Hello, I am very interesting in using DIA in business. In fact I am an
>>>>ingenieur in automation and so I used a lot GRAFCET, LADDER and
>>>>SADT. If you need more knowledg on this ask me.
>>>>
>>>Great, thank you for the generous offer.
>>>
>>>
>>>>But to use it in business, DIA must have some fue improvement, the
>>>>first, and for me the more important: a cartridge surounding the
>>>>différent pages, with some information which could be configured by
>>>>user, and automated
>>>>
>>>I am not sure what you mean by cartridge?
>>>
>>>
>>>>- description, same for all pages
>>>>
>>>I have in mind to add a Properties Dialog where you would be able to set
>>>things like Description, Subject, Author, Creation Date.
>>>
>>
>>*this* is the "cartridge" ;)
>>
>>(a straight translation from Technical French "cartouche")
>>une cartouche = cartridge
>>UN  cartouche = ??? (I do not know neither)
>>= The box that you draw on each diagram/sketch/plan/drawing,
>>  with company logo, signature, author, date, ...
>>  depending of the standard of the company.
>>
> Yes, it is this last deffinition!
> Oups I am demasked as French people ....

Ach, ze French...:)

I see what it is you want.  It wouldn't be too hard to have a 'template
page' behind every page printed, but Dia has little idea of page numbers.
In fact the split into pages is more of a printing hack than something
closely tied to the diagram itself, and it'd require a fair amount of
hacking to get page numbers accessible.

>>>These could probably be covered by extra property pairs (name, value)
>>>added by the user.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I thing it is good to don't see the cartridge all the time, to have it
>>>>just before printing, in prevue. So it wont split the drawing when
>>>>making it .
>>>>
>>>There are already lines on the Graph indicating the page edges.
>>>
> I didn't mind about this unprinted line, bute ligne who will suround
> the printed page, just like in technical drawing.
> This is tru for other DIAgrams, like electrical for exemple.

You're saying you want some surrounding box-thing?  Can you point us to an
example of this?

> A remarque about this: when repering a cail or a contactor on an
> electrical diagrams, the referance take a symbole for the element (C
> or K for contactor, B for detector, D for Dejonctor for exemple) plus
> the page number and a number which represente the number of the
> element in the page. For example
> K100-1 : Kontactor 1 in page 100
> D201 : Dijoncteur 1 in page 100 ...
> 
> Can you do something?

At the moment, this is way beyond Dia.  With no page numbers available, and
no way to indicate them even if they were, we can't do this.  (La)TeX would
be able to do this easily, but it's a very different system.  I have hopes
of more interaction with (La)TeX, but in a different (pageless) way.

That kind of naming seems rather fragile, tool.  Doesn't that mean that if
an extra page is inserted, all references to the elements are wrong?  But
if that's what you're working with...

-Lars

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