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The following archive was created by hippie-mail 7.98617-22 on Sat Apr 10 1999 - 01:18:05
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Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:48:05 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, jim finder wrote:
:I wrote:
:>>"Daniel J. Frasnelli" <dfrasnel@csee.wvu.edu> writes:
:>> As my colleague points out, chances are that the folks at >>AT&T's
:>>research lab doing crypto hold at least one form or another of DoD
:>>TS/SCI
:>>clearances by virtue of the average experience level there.
:>
:>I don't know for sure about AT&T research, but I do know that most
:>crypto research labs in the USA with which I'm familiar do require a
:>clearence for at least some of their people. Most, maybe all, of the
:>cryptography people at my (communications mfg / government >contractor)
:company have them.
:>
:>The 9 people I know at AT&T research in the crypto group
:>all have clearences (TS or TS/SCI). I don't know if that's a
:>policy to work there, if the whole facility is classified, or
:>if the individuals involved happen to have them because some
:>project to which they are or were assigned required them.
:>
:>Jim
:
:I have been informed by my management that I am mistaken about AT&T
:Research
And I'm *sure* they would know better than the persons you have personally
talked too ;-)
:and that they don't require security clearences in the
:crypto research group.
I am fascinated however that this type of general discussion would
generate such a reaction in these all-knowing "management" folk...
:There is no official connection between
:AT&T Research Labs and the Department of Defense and none should
:be implied or inferred from my message.
What is this, a parody?
:I have also been informed by my management that the subject of
:security clearences at AT&T Research Labs is not appropriate
:material for public discussion.
Really? Do you perchance work at ATT Research? If you do, then I'm
certain that this "error" will not hurt any of your future endeavors, as
there are no security clearance "problems" to worry about...
:I'm sorry for any trouble this may have caused anyone. Please
:consider this subject matter closed.
I am too. I am especially troubled that such an innocuous discussion
would engender such an [apparently] heavy knee-jerk from these
"management" folk. Obviously (at least to me) their reaction is a lot
more telling that if they had just let it go: kind of like what the right
wing christian fundamentalists did with that horrendous movie a few years
ago ("Temptation of Christ" IIRC?). Had they just shut up, the movie
would have died the quick death it deserved, but because of their wildly
out of proportion response, I had to wait a full two days to get a ticket
to see it here in St. Louis (due to sellout crowds and ticket scalping - a
VERY rare event in this part of the backwater midwest)...
As for the subject being closed... I refer to the above about the movie:
had these "managers" shut up, it probably *would* have been a closed (not
to mention unnoticed) issue. Of course, *that* is just shot all to
hell!
One has to wonder at why these folks are edgy about ATT personnel having
clearances??? I assumed they did, as I'm sure most of us did: why the
need to slam down the authoritative denial???
Ad why the need to slam down an authoritative denial of a connection
between ATT and the feds which had not even been entered into the
discussion <<<boggle>>>???
I suspect the "management" doth protest too much ;-)
Yours,
J.A. Terranson
sysadmin@mfn.org
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The following archive was created by hippie-mail 7.98617-22 on Sat Apr 10 1999 - 01:18:05