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The following archive was created by hippie-mail 7.98617-22 on Sat Apr 10 1999 - 01:14:00
Petro (petro@playboy.com)
Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:58:54 -0500
At 7:39 AM -0500 9/22/98, Bruce Schneier wrote:
>At 02:28 PM 9/22/98 +0100, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:
>>Bruce Schneier wrote:
>>>
>>> At 02:20 PM 9/22/98 +0100, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:
>>
>>> >If the 'mathematical magic' is not to be kept secret (as in principle
>>> >shouldn't for all crypto algorithms) then presumably one could
>>> >attack through brute forcing the 'remembered secrect', I guess.
>>>
>>> Yes, but only through an on-line protocol. And if the server has some
>>> kind of "turn the user off after ten bad password guesses," then the
>>> atack doesn't work.
>>
>>I remember someone wrote of the case where the attacker got the
>>file with the millions of passwords. Then if he also knows the
>>'mathematical magic' he could presumably do offline work. So I
>>suppose that the 'mathematical magic' has to be kept secret, which
>>would work against the generally accepted crypto principles.
>
>No. The online protocol can be public. Nothing has to be kept secret
>in order for this to work. That would be stupid; we all know that.
Also, that things are kept secret/unpublished NOW doesn't mean that
they won't be released when the product ships.
Not knowing anything about this company, they may have seen a novel
way to put existing tools/methods together, and are doing Q/A, interface,
and marketing work, and don't want to publicize their methods _yet_ because
they COULD be beat to market by a product that has less
documentation/Testing/etc.
If they seem willing to release the algorythm, and essential parts
of the source code, they might have at least a bit of a clue, if Mr.
Schneier is willing to bet reputation capital on it, I'd be hesitant to cry
"Snake oil". At least the first time.
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They REALLY
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The following archive was created by hippie-mail 7.98617-22 on Sat Apr 10 1999 - 01:14:00