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Jeremiah Blatz (jer+@andrew.cmu.edu)
Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:35:50 -0500 (EST)
mgraffam@mhv.net writes:
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> On 28 Mar 1998, Julian Assange wrote:
> > Rubber-hose-squad: We will never be able to show that Alice has
> > revealed the last of her keys. Further, even if
> > Alice has co-operated fully and has revealed all of
> > her keys, she will not be able to prove it.
> > Therefor, we must assume that at every stage that
> > Alice has kept secret information from us, and
> > continue to beat her, even though she may have
> > revealed the last of her keys. But the whole time
> > we will feel uneasy about this because Alice may
> > have co-operated fully.
>
> I've never really fully understood this assumption. It seems to me
> that any person or group that would beat a person isn't going to
> care much if Alice cooperated or not.
>
> All things considered, a group with enough power to grab Alice and
> beat her probably has ways to escape punishment from the law, or
> doesn't care about the law in the first place.
>
> In this case, I figure that their best option is to beat Alice everyday
> forever or until she dies. Whichever comes first.
"Rubber hose" cryptanalysis needn't involve actual beatings in secret
underground cells. Simple example: Cops raid your house, rough you up
a little bit (not much) and toss your ass in a cell with "real '
criminals. 12 hours later they take you into a room and play good
cop/bad cop with you. Maybe you're not sure you could stand up to
this, and might panic and reveal more than you have to (remember, you
haven't been charged with a crime yet). However, if you do hold out,
the chances that you'll be let go, and get your stuff back in a few
years, are pretty high. In this case, being able to spill a key that
revelas harmless stuff is good, since the police are unlekely to hold
you for a long time.
"Dissapearing" is the regressive case, and there's not a whole lot you
can do in regressive cases. If someone really wants to defect, they
will.
Jer
"standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew
why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole
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