Re: Object[s] and menu -- Re: help wanted, trying out a few ideas for post 0.94
From: Lars Clausen <lars raeder dk>
To: discussions about usage and development of dia <dia-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: Object[s] and menu -- Re: help wanted, trying out a few ideas for post 0.94
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:14:05 +0200
On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 20:32, Luc Pionchon wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 02:00, Alan Horkan wrote:
> >  I renamed Objects to just Object because that seems to be the
> > convention when naming menus (File not Files, Image not Images, Layer not
> > Layers).
> I think "ObjectS" was "right".
> Menus should be, as much as possible, organized as phrases:
> object + verb, or
> verb + object
> Insert + this
> Select + that
> Layer + do this (on the (current) layer)
> In our case, most of actions are applied to all selected objectS (group,
> align, send to back, ...) so IMHO "ObjectS".
Checking through Gimp, Abiword, Sodipodi, GnuCash, Galeon, Glade, I find
nothing supporting that reasoning. But then, there's few that have
menus with similar properties: Two of the menu items and an entire
submenu only makes sense when multiple objects are selected.
> While you are experiencing with menus, you may play with that:
> In the diagram window, "File" could be renamed to "Diagram":
It kinda makes sense, but also breaks with standard menu setup.
> Diagram /
> Properties... (from the current "Diagram" menu)
> Close. (no "quit"!)
Why wouldn't you want to be able to quit from a Diagram window?
> About the main application window,
> the "File" menu "traditionaly" includes actions related to both the
> opened file, and the application itself (some kind of metaphore "the
> file is an hyper-document with tools integrated into itself"), which I
> do not like vey much, moreover it does not apply to dia: one window is
> the application, the others are the documents (files).
> MacOS has an "application" menu (named as the application itself)
> including application related entries, like "preferences", etc. and...
That's a very different cup of fish. Following that would make us
weirdly different from all other GTK programs.
> With dia, "File" could be renamed to "dia".
> New diagram
> Recently opened > ...
> "Sheet&Objects" could be near the sheet list, (if not into), labeled as
Would make sense to have Sheets & Objects as Customize in the sheet
> "Diagram tree" could be moved into "Diagram / Diagram tree..."
I wouldn't think so, the diagram tree is not just for one diagram, but
shows all diagrams. If somebody would update it to show
parenting/grouping and layers, it would be somewhat more useful.